Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous young mom. Suzanne Simpson is seen arguing with her husband outside their elite, argy old country club. The neighbor after that here's screams outside is convinced that Suzanne everything suddenly goes quiet. She's never seen again in the Last Days, another development in the search for Suzanne. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. In the last Days. Brad Simpson has filed a motion to quash a hearing It was set for thirty days in connection with wife Suzanne's murder case. Still no body. Brad Simpson, the husband Surprise. The husband Simpson, an almost part ma'am, is believed to have murdered his wife last year. The discovery hearing was originally scheduled in Judge Joel Pettis's four hundred and thirty seventh District Court, but now Brad Simpson wants to quash it.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous young mom. Suzanne Simpson is seen arguing with her husband outside their elite, argy old country club. The neighbor after that here's screams outside is convinced that Suzanne everything suddenly goes quiet. She's never seen again in the Last Days, another development in the search for Suzanne. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. In the last Days. Brad Simpson has filed a motion to quash a hearing It was set for thirty days in connection with wife Suzanne's murder case. Still no body. Brad Simpson, the husband Surprise. The husband Simpson, an almost part ma'am, is believed to have murdered his wife last year. The discovery hearing was originally scheduled in Judge Joel Pettis's four hundred and thirty seventh District Court, but now Brad Simpson wants to quash it.

What is quash mean? Basically kick it out of court?

What is quash mean? Basically kick it out of court?

Okay, what do we know about Suzanne's disappearance and where is she or her body?

Okay, what do we know about Suzanne's disappearance and where is she or her body?

They met in college at the University of Texas.

They met in college at the University of Texas.

Nice guy, charismatic, engaging.

Nice guy, charismatic, engaging.

You know Suzanne was a little tiny thing, but.

You know Suzanne was a little tiny thing, but.

For Suzanne, it wasn't perfect time.

For Suzanne, it wasn't perfect time.

It's just tragic.

It's just tragic.

Man.

Man.

I can't even imagine she didn't deserve that at all.

I can't even imagine she didn't deserve that at all.

If just the thought of Suzanne's body out decomposing in a trash site or a disposal site, it's getting worse. The hand held reciprocating Saul belonging to the husband absolutely has his Anne Simpson's DNA on it. Why why would that be there? Take a listen to what the almost pdchief had to say.

If just the thought of Suzanne's body out decomposing in a trash site or a disposal site, it's getting worse. The hand held reciprocating Saul belonging to the husband absolutely has his Anne Simpson's DNA on it. Why why would that be there? Take a listen to what the almost pdchief had to say.

So we're holding out hope that maybe, you know, maybe she's trying to be away from the home, to get away from that situation. That's not totally uncommon, but what is uncommon. What is unusual is that this was a woman who worked and was very dependable, and loved her children and was always in contact with her children and her family and her friends. We would love for her to be alive. Obviously, there's nothing concrete that says she's not alive. And again, I owe it to the family, We all owe it to the family to speak of her in a way where other people have been found, like I said, injured and distressed, lost, troubled, hiding away.

So we're holding out hope that maybe, you know, maybe she's trying to be away from the home, to get away from that situation. That's not totally uncommon, but what is uncommon. What is unusual is that this was a woman who worked and was very dependable, and loved her children and was always in contact with her children and her family and her friends. We would love for her to be alive. Obviously, there's nothing concrete that says she's not alive. And again, I owe it to the family, We all owe it to the family to speak of her in a way where other people have been found, like I said, injured and distressed, lost, troubled, hiding away.

All of those things are possible now.

All of those things are possible now.

From our friends at WAI joining me an all star panel to make sense of what we are learning right now.

From our friends at WAI joining me an all star panel to make sense of what we are learning right now.

This is not the update I wanted to report to you tonight.

This is not the update I wanted to report to you tonight.

For a first out to Zachary Taylor right joining us, a trending digital reporter with my essay, my san Antonio.

For a first out to Zachary Taylor right joining us, a trending digital reporter with my essay, my san Antonio.

Zachary, thank you so much for being with us.

Zachary, thank you so much for being with us.

Explain to me how the husband's reciprocating saw.

Explain to me how the husband's reciprocating saw.

You know what? Just pause, Zachary. I want to hear everything you've got to say.

You know what? Just pause, Zachary. I want to hear everything you've got to say.

But for people that don't know what a reciprocating saw is, let me go to doctor Kendall Crown's joining us, the chief medical Examiner in Tarrett County, that's Fort Worth, the Texas Jurisdiction esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine TCU, Doctor Kendall Crown, thank you so much for being with us. Before I get into your usual topics, and that is the discovery of bodies. What you can tell from bodies, what you can tell from an autopsy? Could you explain and demonstrate what is a reciprocating saw.

But for people that don't know what a reciprocating saw is, let me go to doctor Kendall Crown's joining us, the chief medical Examiner in Tarrett County, that's Fort Worth, the Texas Jurisdiction esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine TCU, Doctor Kendall Crown, thank you so much for being with us. Before I get into your usual topics, and that is the discovery of bodies. What you can tell from bodies, what you can tell from an autopsy? Could you explain and demonstrate what is a reciprocating saw.

Certainly so, reciprocating saws are saws that use a blade.

Certainly so, reciprocating saws are saws that use a blade.

They actually have.

They actually have.

My here is a large, fairly large saw. It has a blade that goes backwards in the forwards, which is the reciprocating movement of the saw. And they can be used to cut through metal, wood, bone, tissue, you name it. They use them in the meat cutting industry to cut a part cattle.

My here is a large, fairly large saw. It has a blade that goes backwards in the forwards, which is the reciprocating movement of the saw. And they can be used to cut through metal, wood, bone, tissue, you name it. They use them in the meat cutting industry to cut a part cattle.

Hold on, let me see that again. Could you turn that on one more time? Doctor Kimlin. Crown's sure, Jeff Horny is joining me, right, I heard it, Thank you. Jeff Horny is with us right now, joining us from San Antonio, longtime friend of both Suzanne and Brad Simpson, her husband, Jeff Horny.

Hold on, let me see that again. Could you turn that on one more time? Doctor Kimlin. Crown's sure, Jeff Horny is joining me, right, I heard it, Thank you. Jeff Horny is with us right now, joining us from San Antonio, longtime friend of both Suzanne and Brad Simpson, her husband, Jeff Horny.

I don't know how you can sit there and look at that saw.

I don't know how you can sit there and look at that saw.

It looks like a giant version of the electric knife people use at Thanksgiving and Christmas to cut a turkey or a roast or something.

It looks like a giant version of the electric knife people use at Thanksgiving and Christmas to cut a turkey or a roast or something.

Sure he knew what he was doing. Look at that knowing, Suzanne. It's terrible.

Sure he knew what he was doing. Look at that knowing, Suzanne. It's terrible.

And disgusting actually, And.

And disgusting actually, And.

He's a hunter.

He's a hunter.

You know, if you've used one of those saws, you know that it's not real clean. It doesn't just make a beautiful clean cut. And yes, I saw him in the courtroom and he looked like he'd been doing push ups for months. You know, he looks like a thug, is what he looks like, what he's turned out to be.

You know, if you've used one of those saws, you know that it's not real clean. It doesn't just make a beautiful clean cut. And yes, I saw him in the courtroom and he looked like he'd been doing push ups for months. You know, he looks like a thug, is what he looks like, what he's turned out to be.

So it's sad man.

So it's sad man.

We were talking to Jeff Horny, who's been a longtime friend of not only Susanne the missing mom, but the husband. Zacharychell are right, thank you for holding a trending digital reporter with my sa my san Antonio. Zachary again, thank you for being with us. I want to backtrack just a moment. You know, I just heard Jeff Horny state that the husband, who is presumed innocent under the law, these are just allegations right now, Zachary, I don't know how him being a hunter has anything to do with his wife's DNA being on a reciprocating so oh I do. I do know the connection he made. He was making the connection that the saw could be let me just say contaminated or still caked with animal detried us from prior hunting trips. I don't know a nice way to say it. That's why I'm searching for the words. But Zachary Taylor right, tell me how and where this reciprocating saw it was discovered?

We were talking to Jeff Horny, who's been a longtime friend of not only Susanne the missing mom, but the husband. Zacharychell are right, thank you for holding a trending digital reporter with my sa my san Antonio. Zachary again, thank you for being with us. I want to backtrack just a moment. You know, I just heard Jeff Horny state that the husband, who is presumed innocent under the law, these are just allegations right now, Zachary, I don't know how him being a hunter has anything to do with his wife's DNA being on a reciprocating so oh I do. I do know the connection he made. He was making the connection that the saw could be let me just say contaminated or still caked with animal detried us from prior hunting trips. I don't know a nice way to say it. That's why I'm searching for the words. But Zachary Taylor right, tell me how and where this reciprocating saw it was discovered?

So the reciprocating saw was discovered in Brett's possession and their believe in their family home, but it was hidden away, which is part of his accusations against him, is that he attempted to conceal it from investigators, and of course the DNA did link back to Susannah.

So the reciprocating saw was discovered in Brett's possession and their believe in their family home, but it was hidden away, which is part of his accusations against him, is that he attempted to conceal it from investigators, and of course the DNA did link back to Susannah.

Zachary, you stated that the DNA is found on.

Zachary, you stated that the DNA is found on.

Simpson's saw, but where was the saw?

Simpson's saw, but where was the saw?

The pacificatting saw was found in Brad Simpson's toolbox.

The pacificatting saw was found in Brad Simpson's toolbox.

You know, Zachary Taylor right joining us from my San Antonio. Zachary, I understand that the husband, Brad Simpson, tried to hide the saw absolutely.

You know, Zachary Taylor right joining us from my San Antonio. Zachary, I understand that the husband, Brad Simpson, tried to hide the saw absolutely.

So that's part of the accusations made against him, is that he attempted to conceal the saw from investigators initially, and so when they were able to find it and link it back to Suzanne, they charged him with tempering with evidence.

So that's part of the accusations made against him, is that he attempted to conceal the saw from investigators initially, and so when they were able to find it and link it back to Suzanne, they charged him with tempering with evidence.

Well, if it's right there in his toolbox, I don't understand how he's trying to hide it. I'm certainly not taking his side. But you know, Ben Power is joining me, high profile defense attorney at Legal Powers.

Well, if it's right there in his toolbox, I don't understand how he's trying to hide it. I'm certainly not taking his side. But you know, Ben Power is joining me, high profile defense attorney at Legal Powers.

Ben, the worst thing.

Ben, the worst thing.

You can do if this ever makes it to a jury is for the prosecutor to state something in opening statements like.

You can do if this ever makes it to a jury is for the prosecutor to state something in opening statements like.

Yes, and he tried to hide the saw.

Yes, and he tried to hide the saw.

And then it comes out that he didn't, because if you're wrong as a prosecutor on one fact, it taints everything else.

And then it comes out that he didn't, because if you're wrong as a prosecutor on one fact, it taints everything else.

It takes your good facts.

It takes your good facts.

And you stand up in front of a jury and you say he tried to hide the saw, because you know what the hiding part is the big indicator that something the fairius has occurred. Being powers, how do I know she didn't try to use the saw one time and cut her finger on I mean, it could be a million things, but the fact that he then tried to hide it puts it in a whole another light been powers.

And you stand up in front of a jury and you say he tried to hide the saw, because you know what the hiding part is the big indicator that something the fairius has occurred. Being powers, how do I know she didn't try to use the saw one time and cut her finger on I mean, it could be a million things, but the fact that he then tried to hide it puts it in a whole another light been powers.

Yeah, I agree. I think it's important that if you're going to use the accusation that he tried to hide the saw and it turns out his toolbox. Obviously where that toolbox was found, and the key to having it is trying to hide it. But I agree with that. You just said you don't want to lose credibility with jury overstating or trying to extend your proof beyond what your proof actually can show. And so I think the importance for the saw in this context is how it's thread in the larger tapestry of the story, So I wouldn't unnecessarily try to extend it past its value, which is her dnage on the saw. And for the state, that's a good facts and defense. That's certainly a problem we're going to have to address the trial.

Yeah, I agree. I think it's important that if you're going to use the accusation that he tried to hide the saw and it turns out his toolbox. Obviously where that toolbox was found, and the key to having it is trying to hide it. But I agree with that. You just said you don't want to lose credibility with jury overstating or trying to extend your proof beyond what your proof actually can show. And so I think the importance for the saw in this context is how it's thread in the larger tapestry of the story, So I wouldn't unnecessarily try to extend it past its value, which is her dnage on the saw. And for the state, that's a good facts and defense. That's certainly a problem we're going to have to address the trial.

Let me nail this down, Zachary, tail all right? If the saw with his wife's DNA on it, and you know another thing I got to find out, Zachary, and we may not know it yet.

Let me nail this down, Zachary, tail all right? If the saw with his wife's DNA on it, and you know another thing I got to find out, Zachary, and we may not know it yet.

Is it blood? Because just go with me for a moment. Do I believe this is true?

Is it blood? Because just go with me for a moment. Do I believe this is true?

No?

No?

Could one's or believe it absolutely? What if she was using a saw and she cut herself through it? I believe this luxury real estate mom was out working with a reciprocating saw. No, I don't, okay, but.

Could one's or believe it absolutely? What if she was using a saw and she cut herself through it? I believe this luxury real estate mom was out working with a reciprocating saw. No, I don't, okay, but.

That is a legitimate argument to be made to a jury. Or Zachary.

That is a legitimate argument to be made to a jury. Or Zachary.

What if it is bone, Now that's a whole another can of worms. What if it is hair, hair, scalp, It could be a number of things that would clearly tell a jury that the saw was used on her to dismember her. So, hey, I gotta nail down is it true? He tried to hide it. And you know what, Zachary, when you don't know a horse, look at his track record. We already know he asked a friend. As a matter of fact, I believe you told me this. He asked a friend to hide a gun, and the friend hid the gun in a false wall, and the gun was found, and the friend, of course blabbed, he told me to hide it. So we know he has a track record of hiding evidence. Now that's one thing, but that doesn't prove to me he tried to hide this saw. I need to know how did he try to hide the saw? Where are we getting that?

What if it is bone, Now that's a whole another can of worms. What if it is hair, hair, scalp, It could be a number of things that would clearly tell a jury that the saw was used on her to dismember her. So, hey, I gotta nail down is it true? He tried to hide it. And you know what, Zachary, when you don't know a horse, look at his track record. We already know he asked a friend. As a matter of fact, I believe you told me this. He asked a friend to hide a gun, and the friend hid the gun in a false wall, and the gun was found, and the friend, of course blabbed, he told me to hide it. So we know he has a track record of hiding evidence. Now that's one thing, but that doesn't prove to me he tried to hide this saw. I need to know how did he try to hide the saw? Where are we getting that?

So that comes directly from the charges against him. But we don't have the exact details on where police found the saw, other than it being in his toolbox. So your plants are completely accurate. And we also don't know precisely what DNA they found on the saw.

So that comes directly from the charges against him. But we don't have the exact details on where police found the saw, other than it being in his toolbox. So your plants are completely accurate. And we also don't know precisely what DNA they found on the saw.

Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

Brad Simpson moving to quash a hearing set in connection with his wife Suzanne's murder. Judge Padez had initially set a thirty day window for the hearing to occur as evidence from the Texas Rangers is still being collected. I hope that includes her body, but as of yet nobody has been found. Now, as the state's attorneys continue to gather evidence, the Texas Rangers still conducting investigation translation looking for her body. Simpson's lawyer said they had enough evidence to proceed with a motion to quash the indictment. That's right, throw out the indictment. The judge offered Simpson's lawyers a thirty, sixty or ninety day option for the next hearing. Of course, they're sticking with a thirty day window, holding the state's feet to the fire to get the evidence to move forward. Now, if they were smart, I think that file for emotion for speedy trial and make the state go forward without a body. You can't be held indefinitely under the constitution waiting for trial. That's why we have the right to a speedy trial under our constitution. Typically, a speedy trial is within the term or the next two terms of the indictment being handed down. A term in most jurisdictions is about three months. Every three to four months, a new grand jury is impaneled, which would mean a speedy trial. Demand would guarantee a trial within let's say three six nine months ish from the day of the indictment. What is in that discovery? What do we know about Susan's disappearance?

Brad Simpson moving to quash a hearing set in connection with his wife Suzanne's murder. Judge Padez had initially set a thirty day window for the hearing to occur as evidence from the Texas Rangers is still being collected. I hope that includes her body, but as of yet nobody has been found. Now, as the state's attorneys continue to gather evidence, the Texas Rangers still conducting investigation translation looking for her body. Simpson's lawyer said they had enough evidence to proceed with a motion to quash the indictment. That's right, throw out the indictment. The judge offered Simpson's lawyers a thirty, sixty or ninety day option for the next hearing. Of course, they're sticking with a thirty day window, holding the state's feet to the fire to get the evidence to move forward. Now, if they were smart, I think that file for emotion for speedy trial and make the state go forward without a body. You can't be held indefinitely under the constitution waiting for trial. That's why we have the right to a speedy trial under our constitution. Typically, a speedy trial is within the term or the next two terms of the indictment being handed down. A term in most jurisdictions is about three months. Every three to four months, a new grand jury is impaneled, which would mean a speedy trial. Demand would guarantee a trial within let's say three six nine months ish from the day of the indictment. What is in that discovery? What do we know about Susan's disappearance?

Brians Gibbons joining me.

Brians Gibbons joining me.

Brian is the director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security, who leads teams of investigators all around the country trying to find missing people. Brian, just go with me for a moment. The saw in the toolbox, that's not damning, that's not incriminating.

Brian is the director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security, who leads teams of investigators all around the country trying to find missing people. Brian, just go with me for a moment. The saw in the toolbox, that's not damning, that's not incriminating.

That means nothing to me.

That means nothing to me.

I need to know it kind of what part of DNA, What type of DNA is it?

I need to know it kind of what part of DNA, What type of DNA is it?

For instance, if it's hair and scalp, it's over for him.

For instance, if it's hair and scalp, it's over for him.

If it's just a little blood, well that could have an innocent explanation. Not that I believe it, but it could. So what about this, Brian? If the toolbox itself, we know the saw is in the toolbox, But if the toolbox itself, let's just say, was buried in the backyard, Okay, that indicates nefarious intent. If it was flung in a river, we have to know more facts before we can just blurt out it was hit.

If it's just a little blood, well that could have an innocent explanation. Not that I believe it, but it could. So what about this, Brian? If the toolbox itself, we know the saw is in the toolbox, But if the toolbox itself, let's just say, was buried in the backyard, Okay, that indicates nefarious intent. If it was flung in a river, we have to know more facts before we can just blurt out it was hit.

Yeah, As Attorney Ben Powers just said, we're looking at a whole tapestry of things laid out in this charging document. So where it was concealed, how it was concealed is certainly going to come out later. But there was a reason that investigators put that in the documents. Okay, we see him concealing the cell phone, we see him concealing the guns. Now we read about him concealing the saw. They're laying out a pattern of behavior from Brad Simpson.

Yeah, As Attorney Ben Powers just said, we're looking at a whole tapestry of things laid out in this charging document. So where it was concealed, how it was concealed is certainly going to come out later. But there was a reason that investigators put that in the documents. Okay, we see him concealing the cell phone, we see him concealing the guns. Now we read about him concealing the saw. They're laying out a pattern of behavior from Brad Simpson.

Here.

Here.

You know, Ryan, I gave up cursing, or I said I was giving up cursing when I had the twins. But on this special special occasion, let me just say, they damn well better show me later because Karen Start joining me renounced psychologist, TV radio trauma expert. You can find her at karenstart dot com. Karen, you know I live through the Ja Simpson trial, Mayhey Rottenhill.

You know, Ryan, I gave up cursing, or I said I was giving up cursing when I had the twins. But on this special special occasion, let me just say, they damn well better show me later because Karen Start joining me renounced psychologist, TV radio trauma expert. You can find her at karenstart dot com. Karen, you know I live through the Ja Simpson trial, Mayhey Rottenhill.

One little beauty thing, the glove, one little beauty thing, And I guarantee you, Karen Stark, if I could have gotten that courtroom and gone up to Simpson, I would have.

One little beauty thing, the glove, one little beauty thing, And I guarantee you, Karen Stark, if I could have gotten that courtroom and gone up to Simpson, I would have.

Gotten that glove on his hand, no question. But one thing, that one thing tainted the whole case. It messed up the whole case. Like here, if the state says he hit it, and then you can't prove he hit it a technical legal term, they're screwed.

Gotten that glove on his hand, no question. But one thing, that one thing tainted the whole case. It messed up the whole case. Like here, if the state says he hit it, and then you can't prove he hit it a technical legal term, they're screwed.

You know, I would think, Nancy, that they would not say that he was tampering with the evidence or hiding it unless there was actually a reason.

You know, I would think, Nancy, that they would not say that he was tampering with the evidence or hiding it unless there was actually a reason.

Stop. Brother Kimmel.

Stop. Brother Kimmel.

Crowns is demonstrating what a reciprocating handheld saw is. Does that come with another blade, a detachable blade?

Crowns is demonstrating what a reciprocating handheld saw is. Does that come with another blade, a detachable blade?

Yes, it comes with multiple different blades depending on what you're trying to saw up. It can come with ones that'll work on a metal. It also comes with ones that'll trim trees, things of that nature.

Yes, it comes with multiple different blades depending on what you're trying to saw up. It can come with ones that'll work on a metal. It also comes with ones that'll trim trees, things of that nature.

So, for those of you just joining US medical examiner, doctor Kendall Crowns is demonstrating a reciprocating saw.

So, for those of you just joining US medical examiner, doctor Kendall Crowns is demonstrating a reciprocating saw.

Go ahead, Okay, thank you, doctor Crowns.

Go ahead, Okay, thank you, doctor Crowns.

You know, to Zachary Taylor Wright, the big bombshell tonight is that Suzanne's DNA is found on that reciprocating saw. But there is other evidence that's extremely disturbing.

You know, to Zachary Taylor Wright, the big bombshell tonight is that Suzanne's DNA is found on that reciprocating saw. But there is other evidence that's extremely disturbing.

The problem with a reciprocating saw is that in the leading.

The problem with a reciprocating saw is that in the leading.

Up to tonight, we were looking for a body because nobody wouldn't you agree, Jeff Horney, There's no way Suzann would have stayed away from her children this long.

Up to tonight, we were looking for a body because nobody wouldn't you agree, Jeff Horney, There's no way Suzann would have stayed away from her children this long.

Yeah, absolutely not, So that.

Yeah, absolutely not, So that.

Means we're looking for a body.

Means we're looking for a body.

But now that the reciprocating saw has entered the scene with her DNA on it, that means he has very likely been dismembered. Is going to make the discovery of her remains much more difficult.

But now that the reciprocating saw has entered the scene with her DNA on it, that means he has very likely been dismembered. Is going to make the discovery of her remains much more difficult.

What does that mean to a prosecutor?

What does that mean to a prosecutor?

That means this may very well be a no body case, as in, there will never be a body discovered. But what else do we know? Zachary Taylor right.

That means this may very well be a no body case, as in, there will never be a body discovered. But what else do we know? Zachary Taylor right.

Joining us from my San Antonio.

Joining us from my San Antonio.

We were just describing Brad Simpson going out for a what a Burger? He certainly did not lose his appetite in light of his wife missing. Now I know I'm projecting Zachary Taylor right.

We were just describing Brad Simpson going out for a what a Burger? He certainly did not lose his appetite in light of his wife missing. Now I know I'm projecting Zachary Taylor right.

But when I learned my fiance.

But when I learned my fiance.

Had been murdered, I lost down to eighty nine pounds. The thought of food literally made me sick, nauseous, and I went so long. I remember the first thing I ingested, and it was orange juice and something my mom had in the fridge.

Had been murdered, I lost down to eighty nine pounds. The thought of food literally made me sick, nauseous, and I went so long. I remember the first thing I ingested, and it was orange juice and something my mom had in the fridge.

So I know that's just my experience.

So I know that's just my experience.

But when I hear about Brad Simpson in the middle of his wife missing, pigging out at what a Burger, I'm not a shrink.

But when I hear about Brad Simpson in the middle of his wife missing, pigging out at what a Burger, I'm not a shrink.

Or a dietitian, but that just doesn't sit right with me.

Or a dietitian, but that just doesn't sit right with me.

I mean, we don't know exactly what he purchased at Waburger so far, but we do know that he did, in fact stop at Waterburger with some we'll say, suspicious items in his trunk that he later unloaded after making two separate stops. And we also know, according to the restaurant off A David, he's accused of burning the couple of electronics as well out of Benderah home.

I mean, we don't know exactly what he purchased at Waburger so far, but we do know that he did, in fact stop at Waterburger with some we'll say, suspicious items in his trunk that he later unloaded after making two separate stops. And we also know, according to the restaurant off A David, he's accused of burning the couple of electronics as well out of Benderah home.

First of all, he puts his phone in quote lockdown mode, Ryan Gibbons joining us USPA Nationwide Security. I don't know what lockdown mode means. I guess that means like airplane mode.

First of all, he puts his phone in quote lockdown mode, Ryan Gibbons joining us USPA Nationwide Security. I don't know what lockdown mode means. I guess that means like airplane mode.

Right, this is going to go, This is going to go one step beyond that, Nancy. So once that phone enters lockdown mode, you have no data being transmitted from that phone to the cloud, to any towers. So tracking Brad Simpson's movements with the phone would become nearly impossible at that point.

Right, this is going to go, This is going to go one step beyond that, Nancy. So once that phone enters lockdown mode, you have no data being transmitted from that phone to the cloud, to any towers. So tracking Brad Simpson's movements with the phone would become nearly impossible at that point.

Ben Power is joining me, high profile lawyer with legal powers. Ben kind of reminds me of Brian Coberger. Just so happens, he turns his phone off exactly the time the four University Idahos students are murdered in their beds.

Ben Power is joining me, high profile lawyer with legal powers. Ben kind of reminds me of Brian Coberger. Just so happens, he turns his phone off exactly the time the four University Idahos students are murdered in their beds.

What a coink you think, Ben?

What a coink you think, Ben?

I do agree that turing off his phone is certainly not a practice of the defense.

I do agree that turing off his phone is certainly not a practice of the defense.

You know.

You know.

It definitely is consistent with trying to have his activities where he's going, what he's doing. There are other layers of allegations in the war and against him the show. He's pretty active after the altercation that he had of Suzanne and the activity involved on the home depot to get different items like trash bags, tarts, concrete buckets, things like that.

It definitely is consistent with trying to have his activities where he's going, what he's doing. There are other layers of allegations in the war and against him the show. He's pretty active after the altercation that he had of Suzanne and the activity involved on the home depot to get different items like trash bags, tarts, concrete buckets, things like that.

There is a discovery we talk about lockdown, Ben Powers, Ben Powers, the phone being put in lockdown mode? Is that the same thing as airplane mode? Or is it something more?

There is a discovery we talk about lockdown, Ben Powers, Ben Powers, the phone being put in lockdown mode? Is that the same thing as airplane mode? Or is it something more?

What is it?

What is it?

It's something more. It's something that's intended to avoid hitting those things on the towers so that he could conceal his movements. Okay, the thing I guess he wasn't baking on his car head GPS line as well. So kind of idiot defeated the purpose of what he hoped to achieve.

It's something more. It's something that's intended to avoid hitting those things on the towers so that he could conceal his movements. Okay, the thing I guess he wasn't baking on his car head GPS line as well. So kind of idiot defeated the purpose of what he hoped to achieve.

You know, Ben Powers, would you agree that at this juncture in our technological world, A jury is going to view putting your phone in airplane mode or lockdown as being as bad as placing.

You know, Ben Powers, would you agree that at this juncture in our technological world, A jury is going to view putting your phone in airplane mode or lockdown as being as bad as placing.

You at the scene.

You at the scene.

I mean, if he had at any sense at all, he would have left his phone on at his home, but instead he put it in lockdown. So I think it has a very nefarious or sinister connotation to juries because jury's didn't just fall off the turnip truck, Ben Powers, they don't have their phone in lockdown.

I mean, if he had at any sense at all, he would have left his phone on at his home, but instead he put it in lockdown. So I think it has a very nefarious or sinister connotation to juries because jury's didn't just fall off the turnip truck, Ben Powers, they don't have their phone in lockdown.

They may not even know how.

They may not even know how.

To find lockdown on their phone, so that is going to signal to them that something sinister was happening.

To find lockdown on their phone, so that is going to signal to them that something sinister was happening.

And I agree that the problem the state still has got to have is that's all peers that would come in after the fact, after the allegation that he killed Suzanne. They don't have anything before. They don't have any premeditations, any planning before. This is all posts and so they're still going to have a problem with establishing, you know, with this avoluntary manslaughter.

And I agree that the problem the state still has got to have is that's all peers that would come in after the fact, after the allegation that he killed Suzanne. They don't have anything before. They don't have any premeditations, any planning before. This is all posts and so they're still going to have a problem with establishing, you know, with this avoluntary manslaughter.

Ben Powers, You're right, they've got a problem.

Ben Powers, You're right, they've got a problem.

Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

Apparently, evidence from the Texas Rangers is taking longer than anyone expected to be received by the state. The prosecution stillating on forensic testing to be completed.

Apparently, evidence from the Texas Rangers is taking longer than anyone expected to be received by the state. The prosecution stillating on forensic testing to be completed.

Prosecutors say they expect.

Prosecutors say they expect.

To have five to six terabytes of evidence originating from Texas Rangers, and let me tell you something, those rangers don't play. Meanwhile, the defense says it's got about one terabyte of discovery it still needs to go through before moving forward with their motion to quash the indictment. Okay, that's a lot of legal mumbo jumbo about when we're going to have a hearing and.

To have five to six terabytes of evidence originating from Texas Rangers, and let me tell you something, those rangers don't play. Meanwhile, the defense says it's got about one terabyte of discovery it still needs to go through before moving forward with their motion to quash the indictment. Okay, that's a lot of legal mumbo jumbo about when we're going to have a hearing and.

Will the indictment be quashed.

Will the indictment be quashed.

I can tell you right now that indictment is not going to be quashed, okay, just because there's not a body. From what we know, circumstantial evidence indicates that Brad Simpson was arguing with his wife and grabbing her or pulling her by her arm outside their home. After the argument outside the country club, a scream occurred from Susanne and then everything went quiet. Now she's missing. I guess a jury can add two plus two to get four. That indictment is not going to be just because there is only circumstantial evidence. But actually we don't know what all the evidence is yet because all the discovery has not been assimilated by Texas Rangers and handed over to prosecutors. So we don't know what there is. There could be a lot more, but what do we know. You know, Jeff, how exactly do you know them? Who did you know first?

I can tell you right now that indictment is not going to be quashed, okay, just because there's not a body. From what we know, circumstantial evidence indicates that Brad Simpson was arguing with his wife and grabbing her or pulling her by her arm outside their home. After the argument outside the country club, a scream occurred from Susanne and then everything went quiet. Now she's missing. I guess a jury can add two plus two to get four. That indictment is not going to be just because there is only circumstantial evidence. But actually we don't know what all the evidence is yet because all the discovery has not been assimilated by Texas Rangers and handed over to prosecutors. So we don't know what there is. There could be a lot more, but what do we know. You know, Jeff, how exactly do you know them? Who did you know first?

I knew Suzanne first and then I met I met Brad after that, before they even know each other.

I knew Suzanne first and then I met I met Brad after that, before they even know each other.

So how would you describe him?

So how would you describe him?

You know, he was a different dude. He was a little weird, a little different, but you know he was he was always uh, you know, smiling and and I'll be honest with you that being a year younger than me, I didn't see him a lot. The only time I saw him was back at the frat house and everybody was drinking beer and and you know, doing doing what we do there. So you know, I've spent a summer with Brad before his freshman year, you know, rushing our fraternity and getting to know him and trying to get him.

You know, he was a different dude. He was a little weird, a little different, but you know he was he was always uh, you know, smiling and and I'll be honest with you that being a year younger than me, I didn't see him a lot. The only time I saw him was back at the frat house and everybody was drinking beer and and you know, doing doing what we do there. So you know, I've spent a summer with Brad before his freshman year, you know, rushing our fraternity and getting to know him and trying to get him.

To Okay, Well, I don't need to hear about rush season.

To Okay, Well, I don't need to hear about rush season.

What I want to hear about, Jeff Horny is when you said he was odd. That's what I want to hear about. You know the old quote everyone is odd.

What I want to hear about, Jeff Horny is when you said he was odd. That's what I want to hear about. You know the old quote everyone is odd.

But me and the and I think the a bit queer at times.

But me and the and I think the a bit queer at times.

What that means h and everyday parlance is everybody thinks everybody else is weird but themselves. Okay, So when you say he was odd, you just can't put that out there and leave it hanging.

What that means h and everyday parlance is everybody thinks everybody else is weird but themselves. Okay, So when you say he was odd, you just can't put that out there and leave it hanging.

What did he do that was odd?

What did he do that was odd?

Well, he never went anywhere with Suzanne. She was always by herself, football games, by yourself, to watch her daughter's chair parties herself. Never Brad was was was very rarely there. Uh So that was that was that was odd to me. You know, I don't know what else you want me to say.

Well, he never went anywhere with Suzanne. She was always by herself, football games, by yourself, to watch her daughter's chair parties herself. Never Brad was was was very rarely there. Uh So that was that was that was odd to me. You know, I don't know what else you want me to say.

I I I was around.

I I I was around.

I was around them because I Suzanne was a friend of mine. You know, she's the one that would call me and invite me to their parties. I wasn't you know, Brad would not call me and invite me. Uh he he is a you know again, the the the community is is a uh a party driven community.

I was around them because I Suzanne was a friend of mine. You know, she's the one that would call me and invite me to their parties. I wasn't you know, Brad would not call me and invite me. Uh he he is a you know again, the the the community is is a uh a party driven community.

You know.

You know.

There was a lot of partying and alcohol. And there's this group of mainly Alamo Heights men that raised money for underprivileged folks and they they the cavaliers is what they're called. And he was a cavalier. So you know, he had some good qualities. I think, you know, I think he might have been an okay father and took his kids hunting and fishing. I just know he was not a very good husbook.

There was a lot of partying and alcohol. And there's this group of mainly Alamo Heights men that raised money for underprivileged folks and they they the cavaliers is what they're called. And he was a cavalier. So you know, he had some good qualities. I think, you know, I think he might have been an okay father and took his kids hunting and fishing. I just know he was not a very good husbook.

I don't know that allegedly murdering the mother of your children qualifies as being a good father.

I don't know that allegedly murdering the mother of your children qualifies as being a good father.

Hey, Zachary Taylor, right, got a question for you.

Hey, Zachary Taylor, right, got a question for you.

I'm trying to go along with the police and these recent court filings as to everything that they have uncovered with his phone in lockdown mode, police had to go to extreme methods, gathering surveillance video from all over homes, businesses, red lights, you name it. Let me talk to you about that, because what they have put together without the use of his phone is survellance video showing his truck at a grocery store at twelve thirty three a. M uhh, he must have had a snack attack. Twelve thirty three am, he said, the grocery store. Nothing in the bed of his truck but an ice chest. Then when he takes his daughter to school the next morning, where was Suzanne she normally takes him to school. There are two full white trash bags added in the truck bed.

I'm trying to go along with the police and these recent court filings as to everything that they have uncovered with his phone in lockdown mode, police had to go to extreme methods, gathering surveillance video from all over homes, businesses, red lights, you name it. Let me talk to you about that, because what they have put together without the use of his phone is survellance video showing his truck at a grocery store at twelve thirty three a. M uhh, he must have had a snack attack. Twelve thirty three am, he said, the grocery store. Nothing in the bed of his truck but an ice chest. Then when he takes his daughter to school the next morning, where was Suzanne she normally takes him to school. There are two full white trash bags added in the truck bed.

Okay. Then when he spotted at that Bernie what burger an hour later, now he's.

Okay. Then when he spotted at that Bernie what burger an hour later, now he's.

Got a heavy duty trash can with a firewood rat weighing down an object now covered with the blue tarp.

Got a heavy duty trash can with a firewood rat weighing down an object now covered with the blue tarp.

Wow, a lot happened after he dropped his daughter off. Huh.

Wow, a lot happened after he dropped his daughter off. Huh.

Absolutely. He also made a stop at a home depot where he bought concrete, a large bucket, and some I believe cleaning spray with bleach before he asked for directions to the nearest dump site.

Absolutely. He also made a stop at a home depot where he bought concrete, a large bucket, and some I believe cleaning spray with bleach before he asked for directions to the nearest dump site.

Simpson then stops at the Bernie home depot. Simpson buys concrete mix, a bucket, trash bags, and chlorox spray. On his way out, Simpson asks for directions to the new dump. Surveillance footage captures Simpson leaving the dump, then stopping for gas. The two white trash bags are no longer in the bed. Simpson then drives to Medina, just west of the family home in Bandera. When Simpson is spotted again back in Bernie, the tarp and whatever was underneath it are gone.

Simpson then stops at the Bernie home depot. Simpson buys concrete mix, a bucket, trash bags, and chlorox spray. On his way out, Simpson asks for directions to the new dump. Surveillance footage captures Simpson leaving the dump, then stopping for gas. The two white trash bags are no longer in the bed. Simpson then drives to Medina, just west of the family home in Bandera. When Simpson is spotted again back in Bernie, the tarp and whatever was underneath it are gone.

Simpson is on his way back from Bernie when he receives the call, but Suzanne isn't there for their daughter. Simpson picks her up around three point thirty, then heads to his usual car wash with her. Video shows Simpson, washing the interior around the driver's seat and rear left passenger seat, cleaning up what he claims were concrete stains in his car, Cleaning up.

Simpson is on his way back from Bernie when he receives the call, but Suzanne isn't there for their daughter. Simpson picks her up around three point thirty, then heads to his usual car wash with her. Video shows Simpson, washing the interior around the driver's seat and rear left passenger seat, cleaning up what he claims were concrete stains in his car, Cleaning up.

The vehicle at the car wash. You know, straight out of the playbook A Photus Dulos. You know, Dulos charged in the murder of his wife, a Connecticut mother of five, and police in Connecticut did an incredible job of piecing togather video from all sorts of origins.

The vehicle at the car wash. You know, straight out of the playbook A Photus Dulos. You know, Dulos charged in the murder of his wife, a Connecticut mother of five, and police in Connecticut did an incredible job of piecing togather video from all sorts of origins.

You know what, listen, investigators believe photos. Dulos parks his employees Red Tacoma a few blocks from Jennifer Dulo's home, then rides a bike the rest of the way, lying in wait for her to return. After attacking her in the garage, cops believe Dulo's loads Jennifer dead or unconscious in the back of her own suv, then transfers her body into the Tacoma. Less than a week later, without his employee's knowledge, Dulos takes the truck again. Dulos is caught on video paying for a car wash in cash. His girlfriend, Michelle Treconis, later tells authorities he was trying to clean a coffee spill. Despite Dulo's efforts, investigators still managed to recover Jennifer Dulos's DNA from the passenger seat.

You know what, listen, investigators believe photos. Dulos parks his employees Red Tacoma a few blocks from Jennifer Dulo's home, then rides a bike the rest of the way, lying in wait for her to return. After attacking her in the garage, cops believe Dulo's loads Jennifer dead or unconscious in the back of her own suv, then transfers her body into the Tacoma. Less than a week later, without his employee's knowledge, Dulos takes the truck again. Dulos is caught on video paying for a car wash in cash. His girlfriend, Michelle Treconis, later tells authorities he was trying to clean a coffee spill. Despite Dulo's efforts, investigators still managed to recover Jennifer Dulos's DNA from the passenger seat.

To be in Power's high profile defense attorney. Why is it when there is a murder or somebody goes missing, suddenly husbands and or suspects turn into Nate Nix. Jody Arias did all the laundry after she murdered Travis Alexander. Whoopsie, she left her digital camera in the laundry, and you see her foot by the dead body in the digicam.

To be in Power's high profile defense attorney. Why is it when there is a murder or somebody goes missing, suddenly husbands and or suspects turn into Nate Nix. Jody Arias did all the laundry after she murdered Travis Alexander. Whoopsie, she left her digital camera in the laundry, and you see her foot by the dead body in the digicam.

Helps that hurt. Then Scott Peterson.

Helps that hurt. Then Scott Peterson.

Went on a laundry jag, Clinton doing all the laundry in the home and cleaning up.

Went on a laundry jag, Clinton doing all the laundry in the home and cleaning up.

It goes on and on and on.

It goes on and on and on.

Ben Powers, I thank it's for the obvious reason that they are very active and very busy and whatever it is.

Ben Powers, I thank it's for the obvious reason that they are very active and very busy and whatever it is.

Powers, weren't you the veteran defense attorney? Because I'm hearing an echo. You're just saying what I just said. What's your defense In this case of Simpson cleaning out his vehicle around the time his wife goes missing.

Powers, weren't you the veteran defense attorney? Because I'm hearing an echo. You're just saying what I just said. What's your defense In this case of Simpson cleaning out his vehicle around the time his wife goes missing.

I think most you can just say it's odd because they still don't.

I think most you can just say it's odd because they still don't.

Have a body.

Have a body.

They don't have anything to say how he took her life when he took her life, where he took her life, where he just remembered her, where she is if he did dismember her. At the moment, all they have is DNA on the boatsault that no one can really explain. There's a lot of speculation that can go.

They don't have anything to say how he took her life when he took her life, where he took her life, where he just remembered her, where she is if he did dismember her. At the moment, all they have is DNA on the boatsault that no one can really explain. There's a lot of speculation that can go.

Okay, okay, point will taken, Ben Powers, point will taken. Zachary tail are right? Tell me about his movements that day. I want to talk about the tarp, the bleach that stops at the grocery at twelve thirty in the morning, then going to a dump site, then driving all around the area making stops, and all those big bags of trast then disappear every time he makes a stop, and a surveillance video something's been moved out of the bed of his trunk. So why is it that day suddenly it's in and out, in and out with the truck bed just tons of trash bags a tart for Pete's sake, I can.

Okay, okay, point will taken, Ben Powers, point will taken. Zachary tail are right? Tell me about his movements that day. I want to talk about the tarp, the bleach that stops at the grocery at twelve thirty in the morning, then going to a dump site, then driving all around the area making stops, and all those big bags of trast then disappear every time he makes a stop, and a surveillance video something's been moved out of the bed of his trunk. So why is it that day suddenly it's in and out, in and out with the truck bed just tons of trash bags a tart for Pete's sake, I can.

Tell you why he did it. All I can do is tell you what he's accused of doing, and that is, like you mentioned, starting the morning with some suspicious activity, including driving out to Bernie after dropping off his daughter with only a nice Chester his trunk and the art started in the bed of his truck before he's then seen in Bernie with large trash fins and then stops at the depot where he's then seen that water burger with the large object covered by a tart, and then he asks for directions to the nearest dump there and Bernie, and he's shortly seen on surveillance camera footage after visiting the deck with the two trash bags gone, but he still has the large item covered with the tar. He then proceeds to drive to Bandera, which officers reportedly know from license plate readers and other surveillance footage that they see of his truck driving out there. He then stops in Bandera for only less than fifteen minutes before he's then seen driving back towards Bernie with the tart and the large item under the tar being gone.

Tell you why he did it. All I can do is tell you what he's accused of doing, and that is, like you mentioned, starting the morning with some suspicious activity, including driving out to Bernie after dropping off his daughter with only a nice Chester his trunk and the art started in the bed of his truck before he's then seen in Bernie with large trash fins and then stops at the depot where he's then seen that water burger with the large object covered by a tart, and then he asks for directions to the nearest dump there and Bernie, and he's shortly seen on surveillance camera footage after visiting the deck with the two trash bags gone, but he still has the large item covered with the tar. He then proceeds to drive to Bandera, which officers reportedly know from license plate readers and other surveillance footage that they see of his truck driving out there. He then stops in Bandera for only less than fifteen minutes before he's then seen driving back towards Bernie with the tart and the large item under the tar being gone.

Even those whose Antips's body has never been found to date. A Bear Canny grand jury indicted Brad Simpson on charges of murder, of tampering with evidence with the intent to impair a human corpse, tampering and or fabricating physical evidence with the intent to impair, and possessing prohibited weapons. Susanne, a mother of four, last seen at a party at the.

Even those whose Antips's body has never been found to date. A Bear Canny grand jury indicted Brad Simpson on charges of murder, of tampering with evidence with the intent to impair a human corpse, tampering and or fabricating physical evidence with the intent to impair, and possessing prohibited weapons. Susanne, a mother of four, last seen at a party at the.

Ritzy Argyle Club.

Ritzy Argyle Club.

Now, let's see that was on October six, but it wasn't around ten pm October seven that husband Brad Simpson reported her missing. We know they were involved in a dispute the night she disappeared, not only at the country club, but outside her home according to a neighbor. We also have Brad Simpson's business partner, James Cotter. He's been charged in connection with the case for hiding a gun. He's accused of helping Simpson hide in AK forty seven that was illegally modified. The firearm was modified into a machine gun and was not correctly registered.

Now, let's see that was on October six, but it wasn't around ten pm October seven that husband Brad Simpson reported her missing. We know they were involved in a dispute the night she disappeared, not only at the country club, but outside her home according to a neighbor. We also have Brad Simpson's business partner, James Cotter. He's been charged in connection with the case for hiding a gun. He's accused of helping Simpson hide in AK forty seven that was illegally modified. The firearm was modified into a machine gun and was not correctly registered.

Whoopsie.

Whoopsie.

Some of the evidence we do know about is surveillance footage showing Brad Simpson driving with three large trash bags, photos dulos all over again, a heavy TV trash can, and a quote large bulky item wrapped in a blue tarp the day after she disappears. Now we learn that from an arrest warrant AFFI David Susanne Simpson's remains I believe in the Bandera area, but they have never been found. Surprise, surprise, again. Husband, Brad Simpson has shown very little emotion about his wife's disappearance, and he is not cooperating with investigators.

Some of the evidence we do know about is surveillance footage showing Brad Simpson driving with three large trash bags, photos dulos all over again, a heavy TV trash can, and a quote large bulky item wrapped in a blue tarp the day after she disappears. Now we learn that from an arrest warrant AFFI David Susanne Simpson's remains I believe in the Bandera area, but they have never been found. Surprise, surprise, again. Husband, Brad Simpson has shown very little emotion about his wife's disappearance, and he is not cooperating with investigators.

It's like the same old playbook.

It's like the same old playbook.

Come on, this is the same exact thing Fotus Dulos did.

Come on, this is the same exact thing Fotus Dulos did.

Okay, there's a copious amount.

Okay, there's a copious amount.

Of blood found in the garage outside of Jennifer's car after she came back from drop off that morning at school. She's never been found, but he Traconas and his girlfriend, that's certainly.

Of blood found in the garage outside of Jennifer's car after she came back from drop off that morning at school. She's never been found, but he Traconas and his girlfriend, that's certainly.

One way to put it.

One way to put it.

Michelle Traconas are caught on video driving all around town going to I believe it was five different trash receptacles caught on video throwing away sponges, rags, towels, all soaked in blood, the wife, Jennifer Dulos shirt and Bras soaked in blood. So how smart is Simpson because he's just doing the same old playbook for Pete's sake.

Michelle Traconas are caught on video driving all around town going to I believe it was five different trash receptacles caught on video throwing away sponges, rags, towels, all soaked in blood, the wife, Jennifer Dulos shirt and Bras soaked in blood. So how smart is Simpson because he's just doing the same old playbook for Pete's sake.

I don't think he's very smart.

I don't think he's very smart.

I'm you know, after I heard that they found the found her DNA on the reciprocating saws. He's crazy. I mean, I don't know what he could have to get all that done in the few hours that he got done. I'd like to know what he was on to do that, you.

I'm you know, after I heard that they found the found her DNA on the reciprocating saws. He's crazy. I mean, I don't know what he could have to get all that done in the few hours that he got done. I'd like to know what he was on to do that, you.

Know, Uh, yeah, has Brian Fitzgibbons, Brian, do you ever wish that suspect, of course he's presumed innocent, would do something different? I mean, don't you know that if the authorities have already gotten him on video at the water burger and the grocery store and the here and the there, they're going to have video of him disposing of stuff, although he may have disposed of it in a remote area where we're never going to find it.

Know, Uh, yeah, has Brian Fitzgibbons, Brian, do you ever wish that suspect, of course he's presumed innocent, would do something different? I mean, don't you know that if the authorities have already gotten him on video at the water burger and the grocery store and the here and the there, they're going to have video of him disposing of stuff, although he may have disposed of it in a remote area where we're never going to find it.

Yeah, Nancy, at this point that I certainly wish all the time that you know, a defendant would come forward with the truth, right, But at this point we're probably dealing with multiple disposal sites, potentially bodies of water, potentially different dump sites, and uh, you know this this is going to be very complicated. But so far as a wish, of course, I feel that all the time I wish you'd come forward and give us the truth.

Yeah, Nancy, at this point that I certainly wish all the time that you know, a defendant would come forward with the truth, right, But at this point we're probably dealing with multiple disposal sites, potentially bodies of water, potentially different dump sites, and uh, you know this this is going to be very complicated. But so far as a wish, of course, I feel that all the time I wish you'd come forward and give us the truth.

A major update in the search for Suzanne Simpson, the missing Texas mom luxury realtor.

A major update in the search for Suzanne Simpson, the missing Texas mom luxury realtor.

Listens Park Police Department, along with the Texas Rangers, have charged Brad Chandler Simpson with murder in the death of his wife, Suzanne Clark Simpson.

Listens Park Police Department, along with the Texas Rangers, have charged Brad Chandler Simpson with murder in the death of his wife, Suzanne Clark Simpson.

The rangers have not stopped investigating this case as it has been turned over to the District Attorney's department. The District Attorney starts their process in the prosecution phase, even though we are not stopping our search for Suzanne Clark Simpsons.

The rangers have not stopped investigating this case as it has been turned over to the District Attorney's department. The District Attorney starts their process in the prosecution phase, even though we are not stopping our search for Suzanne Clark Simpsons.

That from our friends at k e NS five.

That from our friends at k e NS five.

And you were hearing the almost part Chief of Police Feddale valet House and Sergeant Dion Cockrell from the Texas Department of Public Safety. So now there is a formal charge the District attorney now starting the prosecution phase, will more be made clear?

And you were hearing the almost part Chief of Police Feddale valet House and Sergeant Dion Cockrell from the Texas Department of Public Safety. So now there is a formal charge the District attorney now starting the prosecution phase, will more be made clear?

Maybe not.

Maybe not.

We don't have a right to know all of the details surrounding this case. Straight out to doctor Kendall Crown, chief medical Examiner in Terran County. That's Fort Worth, Texas, doctor Kumba crowns. I'm thinking back on Photosdulos and how he and his lover Michelle Chaconis were hiding Jennifer, the mother of his five children. I mean hiding throwing away into dumpsters, into trash receptacles all over town. What man throws the same bag of trash in five different trash cans?

We don't have a right to know all of the details surrounding this case. Straight out to doctor Kendall Crown, chief medical Examiner in Terran County. That's Fort Worth, Texas, doctor Kumba crowns. I'm thinking back on Photosdulos and how he and his lover Michelle Chaconis were hiding Jennifer, the mother of his five children. I mean hiding throwing away into dumpsters, into trash receptacles all over town. What man throws the same bag of trash in five different trash cans?

Okay, food for thought.

Okay, food for thought.

But if we find, if we discover that Susanne has been dismembered, that could.

But if we find, if we discover that Susanne has been dismembered, that could.

Mean anything from a leg to a digit.

Mean anything from a leg to a digit.

So how do you go about if any part of her is found connecting that back to Susanne Sipson?

So how do you go about if any part of her is found connecting that back to Susanne Sipson?

So well, what you would have to do is whatever you receive, you would get tissue, bone, marrow, whatever you can pull off of it, and then submit that for DNA. If it would happened to be a finger, you could actually get fingerprints from it if it's still intact enough, and you could do it that way. But in this type of case, with the parts being found over time, that each part that is found is going to have to have DNA testing done on it to make sure it's from her. But once you do find a part, especially if it's like a large portion, like a thigh or something like that, you know she's been murdered. You know she's been cut up.

So well, what you would have to do is whatever you receive, you would get tissue, bone, marrow, whatever you can pull off of it, and then submit that for DNA. If it would happened to be a finger, you could actually get fingerprints from it if it's still intact enough, and you could do it that way. But in this type of case, with the parts being found over time, that each part that is found is going to have to have DNA testing done on it to make sure it's from her. But once you do find a part, especially if it's like a large portion, like a thigh or something like that, you know she's been murdered. You know she's been cut up.

Joining me is renowned psychologist Karen Start joining us from Manhattan. Karen, the loss of your mother is overwhelming, I've been told, But then the additional shock that she's been murdered, then the additional shock that she has been dismembered. Now, if the children don't accept that. They are left with the specter of my mom's not dead, she just abandoned me.

Joining me is renowned psychologist Karen Start joining us from Manhattan. Karen, the loss of your mother is overwhelming, I've been told, But then the additional shock that she's been murdered, then the additional shock that she has been dismembered. Now, if the children don't accept that. They are left with the specter of my mom's not dead, she just abandoned me.

So what are your thoughts?

So what are your thoughts?

Well, no matter which way this turns out, Nancy's children don't have a mother anymore. So there is so much they've been exposed to. They're going to need a tremendous amount of help.

Well, no matter which way this turns out, Nancy's children don't have a mother anymore. So there is so much they've been exposed to. They're going to need a tremendous amount of help.

In my hand, the newly released charging documents straight out to my saint Antonio Zachary tail all right, Zachary, tell me in a nutshell about these allegations, and they are only that allegations.

In my hand, the newly released charging documents straight out to my saint Antonio Zachary tail all right, Zachary, tell me in a nutshell about these allegations, and they are only that allegations.

He has not been proven guilty. What do you know?

He has not been proven guilty. What do you know?

So I know he's been charged with the murder of Suzanne Simpson, and I also know he's been charged with two bounts of tempering with evidence. One is linked to the gun that he had his friend had and the reciprocating saw that they alleged that he attempted to conceal from investigators. Then he was also charged with tempering with evidence with the intent to conceal his wife's body, although very little information has been presented on that charge. And then those are the charges he's facing, but they're all being questioned by his defense attorney.

So I know he's been charged with the murder of Suzanne Simpson, and I also know he's been charged with two bounts of tempering with evidence. One is linked to the gun that he had his friend had and the reciprocating saw that they alleged that he attempted to conceal from investigators. Then he was also charged with tempering with evidence with the intent to conceal his wife's body, although very little information has been presented on that charge. And then those are the charges he's facing, but they're all being questioned by his defense attorney.

In the last hours Brad Simpson in court before Judge Joel Petz with the.

In the last hours Brad Simpson in court before Judge Joel Petz with the.

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Okay, and Sarah you Brad the challenger of Simpson.

Okay, and Sarah you Brad the challenger of Simpson.

That from our friends A KA, B B Zachary Taylor, what happened in court.

That from our friends A KA, B B Zachary Taylor, what happened in court.

There is quite a bit that's set to happen in the coming months. He Brad Simpson is said to be before the judge again on December nineteenth. Now that's a motion to amend conditions, but very little has been filed with the court to tell us or offer any kind of insight into what his defense attorney might be looking to do, although in the past he has sought to reduce the bond amount and change the bond conditions to allow him to see his children. And then he'll be back before the judge on February twelve.

There is quite a bit that's set to happen in the coming months. He Brad Simpson is said to be before the judge again on December nineteenth. Now that's a motion to amend conditions, but very little has been filed with the court to tell us or offer any kind of insight into what his defense attorney might be looking to do, although in the past he has sought to reduce the bond amount and change the bond conditions to allow him to see his children. And then he'll be back before the judge on February twelve.

Well, you're right again. When you don't know a horse, look at his track record. Now, Brad Simpson is that the charges be thrown out.

Well, you're right again. When you don't know a horse, look at his track record. Now, Brad Simpson is that the charges be thrown out.

Listen, there's emotion to watch the inditement, which I think will give it a leader date.

Listen, there's emotion to watch the inditement, which I think will give it a leader date.

That's for our friends at kabb to Ben Powers in a nutshell, Ben a nutshell. The state doesn't give a killer a gold star or an A plus plus because they get rid of the body that's not happening. The state doesn't have to lay out in the indictment how the victim was killed.

That's for our friends at kabb to Ben Powers in a nutshell, Ben a nutshell. The state doesn't give a killer a gold star or an A plus plus because they get rid of the body that's not happening. The state doesn't have to lay out in the indictment how the victim was killed.

If they can prove it.

If they can prove it.

Sure put it in there, for instance, by manual strangulation, by shooting with the weapon, by stabbing, But it doesn't matter.

Sure put it in there, for instance, by manual strangulation, by shooting with the weapon, by stabbing, But it doesn't matter.

The state doesn't have to prove how she was killed. They just have to.

The state doesn't have to prove how she was killed. They just have to.

Convince a jury that she has been killed and that he did it in this jurisdiction.

Convince a jury that she has been killed and that he did it in this jurisdiction.

Well, I disagree with that. They have to lay out what their theory of the killing is. You know, there's a big difference between a voluntary manslaughter, which is accidental killing, and a first degree murder, which is premeditated killing. It sounds like his defense attorneys are saying, you're saying he killed her, but you're not telling us how when where any of the important details that go to your theory of premeditation. And so that's what they're attacking with their most recent pilence is the lack of proof that goes towards premeditation, like the state is trying to make it out to be.

Well, I disagree with that. They have to lay out what their theory of the killing is. You know, there's a big difference between a voluntary manslaughter, which is accidental killing, and a first degree murder, which is premeditated killing. It sounds like his defense attorneys are saying, you're saying he killed her, but you're not telling us how when where any of the important details that go to your theory of premeditation. And so that's what they're attacking with their most recent pilence is the lack of proof that goes towards premeditation, like the state is trying to make it out to be.

So, Ben Powers, let me understand in your mind, the state has to lay out the exact.